For your reference VS for your information

"for your reference" could be something that the recipient already knows about, but with further details, or something that the recipient is not ... Jumptocontent Home Forums Blogs AllActivity More More SearchIn Everywhere Topics ThisForum ThisTopic Moreoptions... Findresultsthatcontain... Anyofmysearchtermwords Allofmysearchtermwords Findresultsin... Contenttitlesandbody Contenttitlesonly Otherculturesandlanguage AllActivity Home Forums Extras Otherculturesandlanguage ForyourreferenceVSforyourinformation ForyourreferenceVSforyourinformation By Kenny同志, August24,2010at12:42PMinOtherculturesandlanguage  Share Moresharingoptions... Followers 7 Replytothistopic Startnewtopic RecommendedPosts Kenny同志 PostedAugust24,2010at12:42PM Kenny同志 Members 3.4k Report Share PostedAugust24,2010at12:42PM Ihavelongbeenpuzzledbythedifferencebetweenthesetwophrases.Couldsomeoneexplainittome? thanks Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... SiteSponsors: PlecoforiPhone/AndroidiPhone&AndroidChinesedictionary:camera&hand-writinginput,flashcards,audio. StudyChineseinKunming1-1classes,qualifiedteachersanduniqueteachingmethodsintheSpringCity. LearnChineseCharactersLearn2289ChineseCharactersin90DayswithaUniqueFlashCardSystem. HackingChineseTipsandstrategiesforhowtolearnChinesemoreefficiently PopupChineseTranslatorUnderstandChineseinsideanyWindowsapplication,websiteorPDF. ChineseGrammarWikiAllChinesegrammar,organisedbylevel,allinoneplace. anonymoose PostedAugust24,2010at01:05PM anonymoose Members 4.4k Chinese:比上不足，比下有余 Location:英国 Report Share PostedAugust24,2010at01:05PM Ithinkthatinthewaytheyareused,theyareinterchangeable. Ifyouanalysethemfromalinguisticpointofview,then"foryourinformation"wouldprobablybeforsomethingthattherecipientdoesn'tknowabout,andisbeinginformedof."foryourreference"couldbesomethingthattherecipientalreadyknowsabout,butwithfurtherdetails,orsomethingthattherecipientisnotnecessarilyrequiredtoknowabout,buttheinformationisprovidedtobereferedtoifneedbe. However,Idon'tthinknativespeakerswouldreallypayattentiontothedifferenceinthisamountofdetail.WhichoneoneusesIguesswouldsimplydependonpersonalhabit. 1 Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Kenny同志 PostedAugust24,2010at01:14PM Kenny同志 Members 3.4k Author Report Share PostedAugust24,2010at01:14PM 谢谢Anonymoose兄。

真快！呵呵。

Iwasoncetoldthat“forreference”suggeststhattheinformationgivenisalwaysconsideredauthoritativeandthereforecannotbetranslatedas供你参考aswhatisforyouto参考isnotnecessarilythatauthoritative.Isittrue? Forexample,whenyouaskmeaquestion,Icancertainlysay“foryourreference”whenIgiveyouthenameofabookbyEinstein,butwhatifIgiveyouacertainlinkunder百度知道.CouldIsaythesamething? Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... skylee PostedAugust24,2010at01:49PM skylee Members 14.7k Chinese:高不成低不就 Location:852 Report Share PostedAugust24,2010at01:49PM Atwork,whenIsimplywantsomeonetoknowaboutsomething,Iuse"foryourinformation".Forexample,tellingabusinesscontactaboutsomepersonnelchangesinmyoffice.ButifIprovidesomeinformationtofaciltatesomeonetomakeadecision/dosomeworkformeorgivemeareply,Iusuallyuse"foryourreference".Forexample,providingapictureofacoverofanoldpublicationtoillustratehowthecoverofanewpublicationshouldlook. 1 Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Daan PostedAugust24,2010at02:00PM Daan Members 937 Chinese:HSK8 Location:Leiden Report Share PostedAugust24,2010at02:00PM 'foryourreference'impliesthattherecipientmayormaynotbeneedingtheinformationprovidedatalaterdate,orthatyouareremindinghimofinformationhemayhaveforgottensinceyourlastcorrespondence.'foryourinformation'isusedwhenyouaresendingsomeoneamessagetoindicateyouaremerelymakingthemawareofsomething,withoutexpectingthemtodoanythingaboutit. Iwasoncetoldthat“forreference”suggeststhattheinformationgivenisalwaysconsideredauthoritativeandthereforecannotbetranslatedas谢谢参考aswhatisforyouto参考isnotnecessarilythatauthoritative.Isittrue? CorrectmeifI'mwrong,butdoesn't謝謝參考implyyouwouldliketherecipienttoreadwhateveryouaresendinghim?'foryourreference'isneutralastowhetheryouwantthemtodothat.Ithink供您参考mightbecloser? Forexample,whenyouaskmeaquestion,Icancertainlysay“foryourreference”whenIgiveyouthenameofabookbyEinstein,butwhatifIgiveyouacertainlinkunder百度知道.CouldIsaythesamething? Well,thatdepends.Idon'tthinkitmatterswhetheryouconsiderthesourceauthoritative.Ifyousay,forexample,'LǐBáiisaTángdynastypoet',youcouldsay'Foryourreference,theBǎidùpageItookthisinformationfromishttp://baike.baidu.com/view/2133.htm'.Thatmaysoundalittlestiff,though. 1 Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Kenny同志 PostedAugust24,2010at02:16PM Kenny同志 Members 3.4k Author Report Share PostedAugust24,2010at02:16PM Thankyou,Skylee,Daan. QuoteIwasoncetoldthat“forreference”suggeststhattheinformationgivenisalwaysconsideredauthoritativeandthereforecannotbetranslatedas谢谢参考aswhatisforyouto参考isnotnecessarilythatauthoritative.Isittrue? CorrectmeifI'mwrong,butdoesn't謝謝參考implyyouwouldliketherecipienttoreadwhateveryouaresendinghim?'foryourreference'isneutralastowhetheryouwantthemtodothat.Ithink供您参考mightbecloser? Oops,Imadeatypo.Itshouldhavebeen供你参考. Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... SiMaKe PostedAugust24,2010at03:26PM SiMaKe Members 317 Location:康州 Report Share PostedAugust24,2010at03:26PM @kenny2006woo Yourquestionsarealwayssothought-provoking.Theyremindmehowwealluseournativelanguageso"automatically". Iagreewithwhattheothershavesaidandmyexplanationhereisjustanotherwaytoansweryourquestion,whichmayormaynothelp. FYI,Iwouldsay,incommonspeech,FYIisfarmorefrequentlyused.:rolleyes: Generally,IwoulduseFYIinprovidingsomeonealimited,specificpieceof"intelligence"likeafact,anopinion,etcundertheassumptionthatthehearerwasnotawareofthis"information".Therootofthephraseis"toinform"soyouaretellingsomeoneaboutsomething. Ontheotherhand,IwoulduseFYRindirectingthehearertosomemoreextensivebodyof"facts",likeabook,anewpieceoflegislation,anoperatingmanual,etc.Idon'tthinkthereferent(thethingbeingreferredto)hastobe"authoritative"inastrictsense(refereed,reviewed,etc)nordoesithavetobeunknowntohearer.Theroothereis"torefer"meaningtodirectsomeone'sattentiontosomeother"thing"forconsultationorguidance. Someexamples. Foryourinformation,Johnleftonvacationyesterday.(justonefactbeingconveyed). Foryourreference,theenclosedbillprovidesallthedetailsofyourpurchase.(directingthebuyertoconsulttheinvoiceiftheyhavequestions) ThatgrammarbookisforyourreferencewhenyouhaveaquestionaboutChinesegrammar. Foryourinformation,thatparticulargrammarbookisquiteusefulifyouhavequestionsaboutChinesegrammar. HopeIdidn'tconfusemorethanhelp. 1 Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Kenny同志 PostedAugust24,2010at03:52PM Kenny同志 Members 3.4k Author Report Share PostedAugust24,2010at03:52PM ThankyouSimake.It’sveryhelpfulindeedandthedifferencebecomesclearnow.Thankseveryoneagain. Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... doraemon PostedAugust25,2010at05:55AM doraemon Members 422 Report Share PostedAugust25,2010at05:55AM Ithinkwhensomeoneuses"Foryourinformation"itactuallysoundsabitnegative,irritatedorpatronisingattimes.ProbablybecauseI'veonlyhearditbeingusedinanegativemanner."Foryourreference"isalotmoreneutral,andsoundshelpfulratherthandismissive. Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Chinadoog PostedAugust25,2010at06:46AM Chinadoog Members 188 Report Share PostedAugust25,2010at06:46AM Iagreewithdoraemon.You'llprobablycomeoffasasnobifyougoaroundstartingyoursentenceswith''foryourinformation.'' Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Kenny同志 PostedAugust25,2010at07:58AM Kenny同志 Members 3.4k Author Report Share PostedAugust25,2010at07:58AM Thankyoutwo.Butdoyouthinkitwouldsoundlessnegativeplacedattheendofasentence? e.g. Tomwillnotbehereforthewholenextmonth,justforyourinformation. Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... doraemon PostedAugust25,2010at09:38AM doraemon Members 422 Report Share PostedAugust25,2010at09:38AM Tomwillnotbehereforthewholenextmonth,justforyourinformation. Inmyopinion,it'sneitherpositivenornegative.It'sjustthatI'veneverseenorheard"foryourinformation"beingusedinthiscontextbefore. Ithinkasuitableexpressioninthiscasewouldbesomethinglike: Justtoletyouknow,Tomwillnotbehereforthewholeofnextmonth. Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Kenny同志 PostedAugust25,2010at09:47AM Kenny同志 Members 3.4k Author Report Share PostedAugust25,2010at09:47AM 谢谢机器猫同志。

英文太难了。

:rolleyes: Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... 4weekslater... Matty PostedSeptember18,2010at10:27AM Matty Members 354 Chinese:Ispentyearssleepingintheclassroom Location:广西南宁 Report Share PostedSeptember18,2010at10:27AM Ifit'stypedasFYI:orevenwrittenitisprobablyfine. Ifit'swrittenonamemolikethis: FORYOURINFORMATION:Blablabla,yackityyack,lalaladilala. itshouldbefine. Howeverwhenusedmorecasually(inmyexperience)"Foryourinformation"isusuallyusedwhencorrectingsomeoneortryingtomakethemfeelinferior,oftenboth. A"condescendingcorrective"Iguess.<==I'llcointhisnewterm. UsuallyI'lldislikethekindofpersonwhousesthisphrase.(Exceptionsmadeonacasetocasebasis) "Thankyouforyourinformation"howeverwouldbeconsideredfineandperfectlypolite. Herearesome(notsopolite)examplesofpeoplenotknowingtheywouldbecomeanexample:(Searchfor"foryourinformation") NOTE:Ialsotooksomeextractsthatarelistedjustbelowtheselinks. http://www.zeropaid.com/news/90343/supreme-court-petitioned-to-hear-innocent-infringer-case/ http://www.mydailymoment.com/gossip/the_gossip_wire/palin_s_hawaii_coverup.php http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2839758/18/Bothering_Alagaesia http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/jh1365/repeat-after-me-we-cant-h_b_706090_60209710.html http://www.booksie.com/romance/novel/lautnerluver1234567/love-is-the-only-option/chapter/5 http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jul/18/how-race-has-turned-sour-sharron-angle/ http://sixthman.lohudblogs.com/2009/06/03/palmer-commits-to-west-virginia/ http://www.cr17.com/index.php?topic=14477.120 Afewextractedquotes:(Maybeall) “Um,no,Icanreadforyourinformation.I'maskingtobepolite.” Foryourinformation(namehere)isnotCoachMoore’sAunt.IfanyoneshouldknowIwouldbecauseIamhermotherandifyouaretryingtoimplythatshewasrecruitedbyWestVirginiabecauseofheryouaresadlymistaken. Heyzoo,youprobablydontpayanytaxesatall,howmanyweeksofunemploymenthaveyoucollectedandmanymoredowant?ForyourinformationIdontlistentoeitheroneplusIdontchewtobackyeither.Thankyoufornotmissingmeeither. Shelookedhurt.“well,foryourinformation,IwasbacktherebutIwastooafraidtolookatyouwhenIknewthatyouweresickandmaybereallyhurt.” And,justforyourinformation,thiswasacivilcasewhichdoesnotinvolvecriminaloffence... ForyourinformationSAM,shewenttoschoolthere- Areyouthatconceited?DoyouassumeeverythingthatmentionsthewordEragonisaboutyou?Foryourinformation,ORudeRider,thisisabouttheelfEragon,thefirstRider. There'sapatternemerginghereI'mafraidandit'snotthewarmfuzzyfeelingofanicehug.Ifyou'regivinginformationverbally,I'duse"Foryourreference"or"justtoletyouknow"(doraemon20100525)tobesafe,oratleastbeverycarefulwithyourtoneandusage,Iwouldonlyuseitwhentryingto"condescendinglycorrect"someone. doraemon's"justtoletyouknow"isanexcellentreplacement. Excuseanymistakes,myexplanationisfarfromperfectandoversights,butIbelievemyexamplesshouldservemypurpose. That'senoughfornow... Referencelist: doraemon20100525:http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/27615-for-your-reference-vs-for-your-information/#comment-224379 Links:intextreferencing Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... anonymoose PostedSeptember18,2010at10:41AM anonymoose Members 4.4k Chinese:比上不足，比下有余 Location:英国 Report Share PostedSeptember18,2010at10:41AM Ithinkultimatelyitdependsonthecontext,becauseif"foryourinformation"inanyoftheexamplesprovidedbyMattywerereplacedby"foryourreference"or"justtoletyouknow",theywouldstillbecondescending. Ithinkregardlessofwhetheryouuse"foryourinformation","foryourreference"or"justtoletyouknow",theimpressiontheywillgivedependsonthewaytheyareusedratherthanthesephrasesthemselves. NiceexamplesprovidedbyMatty,though. Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... gato PostedSeptember18,2010at10:54AM gato Members 6.9k Report Share PostedSeptember18,2010at10:54AM "Foryourreference"isabitmoredeferential,as"foryourinformation"doescontainapossiblesuggestionthatthepersonbeingaddressedisnotinformed.Oneisprovidedasreferencematerial,theotherasinformationmaterial.Thereisaslightdifferenceintone. Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Kenny同志 PostedSeptember18,2010at10:55AM Kenny同志 Members 3.4k Author Report Share PostedSeptember18,2010at10:55AM Thankyouforyourinformation.Matty.ThanksalsogotoAnonymooseandGatoforyourcomments.Verynice. Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Matty PostedSeptember18,2010at11:03AM Matty Members 354 Chinese:Ispentyearssleepingintheclassroom Location:广西南宁 Report Share PostedSeptember18,2010at11:03AM Ithinkultimatelyitdependsonthecontext,becauseif"foryourinformation"inanyoftheexamplesprovidedbyMattywerereplacedby"foryourreference"or"justtoletyouknow",theywouldstillbecondescending. Thisistrue,howeverI'mtalkingaboutcommonusage.I'veneverheard(ordon'trecall)"foryourreference"or"justtoletyouknow"beingusedinthatway.Theydon'tgetmyneckhairsuponendlike"foryourinformation".You'rerightintherespectthattheycouldreplaceit,buttherealquestionsare: "whydidn'ttheyusetheotherterms?whyuse“foryourinformation”?" Perhapsit'sthatIsearchedforthatinparticular(wellofcourse),butIbelievethere'salsosomethingmore,thoughperhapsslightlyculturally/locationbasedifyouhaven'tencounteredit.Iknowit'susedlikethisinAustraliaandIbelieveI'veseenitonAmericanTVtoo. "Foryourreference"isabitmoredeferential,as"foryourinformation"doescontainapossiblesuggestionthatthepersonbeingaddressedisnotinformed.Oneisprovidedasreferencematerial,theotherasinformationmaterial.Thereisaslightdifferenceintone. Ilikethis,andwhen"foryourinformation"isusedasa"condescendinginformative"(IlovebigtermsImakeuponthespot)apersonusuallyusesaheaviertonewithanemphasison"for"andemphasison"information",howeveronlyabouthalfthatof"for". Quote Linktocomment Shareonothersites Moresharingoptions... Jointheconversation Youcanpostnowandselectyourusernameandpasswordlater. Ifyouhaveanaccount,signinnowtopostwithyouraccount. Note:Yourpostwillrequiremoderatorapprovalbeforeitwillbevisible. Clickheretoreply.Selecttexttoquote. ×  Pastedasrichtext.  Pasteasplaintextinstead  Only75emojiareallowed. ×  Yourlinkhasbeenautomaticallyembedded.  Displayasalinkinstead ×  Yourpreviouscontenthasbeenrestored.  Cleareditor ×  Youcannotpasteimagesdirectly.UploadorinsertimagesfromURL. 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