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The Elear has some weirdness in the upper mids the Clear/Elex doesn't have. Elear/Elex drivers appear to have a higher chance of failure then ... Reviews ReviewIndex Forums What'snew Donations Members Login Register What'snew Search Newposts Searchforums Menu Login Register Installtheapp Install WANTED:Happymemberswholiketodiscussaudioandothertopicsrelatedtoourinterest.Desiretolearnandshareknowledgeofsciencerequiredasis20yearsofparticipationinforums(notalltrue).Therearedailyreviewsofaudiohardwareandexpertmemberstohelpansweryourquestions. Clickheretohaveyouraudioequipmentmeasuredforfree! Forums Audio,Audio,Audio! HeadphonesandHeadphoneAmplifierReviews Youareusinganoutofdatebrowser.Itmaynotdisplaythisorotherwebsitescorrectly.Youshouldupgradeoruseanalternativebrowser. MASSDROPXFocalELEXReview(headphone) Threadstarter amirm Startdate Apr10,2021 Prev 1 … 4 5 6 7 8 Next First Prev 6of8 Next Last Nabooh Member Joined Mar12,2021 Messages 30 Likes 22 Thanksforthereview,itcamesattherighttimeasIamabouttobuyanElear! SoIhavetoask... HastheElexbeentuneddifferentlyfromtheElear,orisitjustthepadswhichchangethesound? SomepeoplesaysElex=Elearwithclearpads,othersaysDroptunedit...   solderdude GrandContributor Joined Jul21,2018 Messages 11,101 Likes 24,590 Location TheNeitherlands Elex=Elearwithclearpadsandbecauseofthepadsitsoundsbetter(closertotheClear) TheElearhassomeweirdnessintheuppermidstheClear/Elexdoesn'thave. Elear/Elexdriversappeartohaveahigherchanceoffailurethennewerdrivers. AnElear+separateClearpadsismuchmoreexpensivethantheElex.   Peoplehaveatendencytooverestimatetheirhearingcapabilities. Useyourearstolistentomusicnotasananalyzer. Nabooh Member Joined Mar12,2021 Messages 30 Likes 22 solderdudesaid: Elex=Elearwithclearpadsandbecauseofthepadsitsoundsbetter(closertotheClear) TheElearhassomeweirdnessintheuppermidstheClear/Elexdoesn'thave. Elear/Elexdriversappeartohaveahigherchanceoffailurethennewerdrivers. AnElear+separateClearpadsismuchmoreexpensivethantheElex. Clicktoexpand... Thanksfortheanswer! Actually,IcouldgetanElearwithbrandnewdriversfor300e,comingstraightbackfromFocalrepairservice.Eveniftheyarenotunderwarranty,apparentlyFocalchangeitforfreebecausethedriversfailureareawellknownissue. IhadtheElex,whichIlikedalot,unfortunatelyIsellthemquickly,becausetheMassdropwarrantydoesnotapplyinFrance,anditwasexactlywhenthemassivedriversfailurestopicsstartedtopop. IthinkIwillgettheElearfor300e,thengettheClearpadslater!   P PeteL MajorContributor Joined Jun1,2020 Messages 1,854 Likes 1,764 solderdudesaid: Italsoshouldincludeagerelatedhearingloss.Withagenotonlytreblestartstoroll-offbutalsosensitivitylowers. Whenplayingmusicloudmysonalreadycovershisearsyetformeitiscomfortablyloud. Sofor20y.o.(notusedtodisco'sandconcerts)whatisconsideredloudmaynotbesoforolderaudiophiles. Clicktoexpand... True,butI'm47yearsold,not20,havinghadmorethanmyshareofloudconcerts,stillthisthinghappensataleveltooloudforme.AgeIndeedisafactorbutbeside,reallyitalsovarieswithindividual,Idoknowforafactthatauditionvariesafairamountbetweenhumans,Evenyoungsters,Ithinkitvariesmorethanwemaythink,I'dlikewiderstudiesonthesubject,weoftentalkhereabout"audibility"butmayitbepossiblethatthisnotionismorearbitrarythanwethink.Likewhywouldthatbesomuchdifferentthanvision?Wedogiveglassestoteenagers,becausearguably,foryoursafety,foryourlearning,Seeingwellismoreimportantthanhearingperfectly.Itdoesn'tmeanthekidisblind,orhandicapped,justthatheseeslessthantheaverage.Whywouldn'titbethesameforaudition?   acbarn MajorContributor ForumDonor Joined Mar11,2020 Messages 1,728 Likes 4,068 Location California sandymcsaid: Hmm.IhavetheHD6xx,akatheHD650,andIfindtheElextobemuchbetter.Midsarearesimilar,buttheElexhasbettertreble,andresolvesmuchmoredetail.TheElexisalsolessharshonimperfections. Clicktoexpand... Ipreferthe660Stothe650,whichIfindoverlydark.WhenEQ’d,Ifindthe660ScompeteswellwiththeElex.Forme,theElexisfatiguingafteranhourorso,whereasIcanlistentothe660Sallday.Someportionofthismightalsohavetodowiththedifferenceinweightandcomfort,whichisamajorfactorintheenjoymentofheadphones.   Lastedited:Apr12,2021 Zensō@Bandcamp|AppleMusic|Tidal|Qobuz|Spotify|YouTubeMusic|SoundCloud solderdude GrandContributor Joined Jul21,2018 Messages 11,101 Likes 24,590 Location TheNeitherlands The'hardclipping'(whichbasicallyiswhat'shappening)isdriverdependent.Itisnotatthesamelevelforeachheadphoneitseems. Itlookslikeeithertheconeishittingthemagnetorthehoneycombinfrontofthedriverortherubbersurroundisfullystretched. Thismaynothappenatthesamelevelforeachdriver.   Peoplehaveatendencytooverestimatetheirhearingcapabilities. Useyourearstolistentomusicnotasananalyzer. R ReaderZ AddictedtoFunandLearning Joined Apr14,2020 Messages 565 Likes 366 solderdudesaid: Indeed.TheassertionofcasualreadersandhatersisthatAmiractuallylistens/evaluatesthesoundofheadphonesat114dBaveragelevels. Hedoesnosuchthing.Isuspecthe'listens'tothesweepswhileonthetestrigwhilesweepingat114dB(asdoIbutatmax100dB). Whenheevaluateshewillprobablylistenat'normal'levels,maybearound80-85dBaverageandloudertocheckforshakingearlobesbutmomentarily.Justlikealotofpeopleliketoturnupmusicloudiftheyreallyenjoyitorevaluatesomething. Intheexplanatoryvideohecouldshowscopeimageswhiledescribingthesoundlevel(asinmyarticle)andcalculateSPLbasedonthemeasuredvoltages.ThisreallyistheonlycorrectwaytoshowactualpowerandSPLlevelsandcorrelatetoperceivedlevels. Clicktoexpand... IfullyunderstandAmirdoesn'tlistentomusicat114db,butareyousureevenforbrieftimehelistentodosweepat114dbwon'tdamagehishearing,sincehedoesitnotoncebutforeveryreview.It'snotworthriskingyourhearingforheadphonereviewsIMHO.   solderdude GrandContributor Joined Jul21,2018 Messages 11,101 Likes 24,590 Location TheNeitherlands Idon'tthinkyouneedtohavethemonyourheadwhensweepingtohearnasties.   Peoplehaveatendencytooverestimatetheirhearingcapabilities. Useyourearstolistentomusicnotasananalyzer. P PeteL MajorContributor Joined Jun1,2020 Messages 1,854 Likes 1,764 WhatIamcuriousabout,Iknowit'snotthesamescale,northesamesmoothingbuttheBassrollofisfarfrombeinghassteeponthesemeasurments.Iknowfullwellit'snotaSubBassmonster,butIstillfindthisabitodd.Tomyears,thereisnotabitofadoubtthatitextenddeeperthanaHD650,itisveryclearandobviousthanthelowestoctaveisnotthereona650,onthese,suretherecouldbemore,butIfeeleverythingisthere.ASRMeasurmentsshowalmostthesameexactRolloffthantheSenns,whichdon'tmatchwhatI'mhearing,wonderinghowthatcouldbe,whatamImissing?ArethoseHead-fimeasurmentstheoddballoraretheoneshere?   R ReaderZ AddictedtoFunandLearning Joined Apr14,2020 Messages 565 Likes 366 PeteLsaid: WhatIamcuriousabout,Iknowit'snotthesamescale,northesamesmoothingbuttheBassrollofisfarfrombeinghassteeponthesemeasurments.Iknowfullwellit'snotaSubBassmonster,butIstillfindthisabitodd.Tomyears,thereisnotabitofadoubtthatitextenddeeperthanaHD650,itisveryclearandobviousthanthelowestoctaveisnotthereona650,onthese,suretherecouldbemore,butIfeeleverythingisthere.ASRMeasurmentsshowalmostthesameexactRolloffthantheSenns,whichdon'tmatchwhatI'mhearing,wonderinghowthatcouldbe,whatamImissing?ArethoseHead-fimeasurmentstheoddballoraretheoneshere? Viewattachment123665 Clicktoexpand... Thislookstoogoodtome,-0dbat20hz?Ireallydon'tthinkthesub-bassisanywherenearthatgood.   P PeteL MajorContributor Joined Jun1,2020 Messages 1,854 Likes 1,764 ReaderZsaid: Thislookstoogoodtome,-0dbat20hz?Ireallydon'tthinkthesub-bassisanywherenearthatgood. Clicktoexpand... whichwouldstillbeabout5dBlessthanwhatcouldbeconsideredNeutralaccordingtotheHarmanCurve.DoyouowntheElex?   solderdude GrandContributor Joined Jul21,2018 Messages 11,101 Likes 24,590 Location TheNeitherlands PeteLsaid: ASRMeasurmentsshowalmostthesameexactRolloffthantheSenns,whichdon'tmatchwhatI'mhearing,wonderinghowthatcouldbe,whatamImissing?ArethoseHead-fimeasurmentstheoddballoraretheoneshere? Clicktoexpand... Thereasonistheusedtarget. Judeuseddiffusefield(fortheshownplot),AmirusesHarman. Thereisa5dBdifferencebetweenthesetargetsinthelows   Lastedited:Apr13,2021 Peoplehaveatendencytooverestimatetheirhearingcapabilities. Useyourearstolistentomusicnotasananalyzer. P PeteL MajorContributor Joined Jun1,2020 Messages 1,854 Likes 1,764 solderdudesaid: Thereasonistheusedtarget.Judeusesdiffusefield,AmirusesHarman. Clicktoexpand... NotsureIunderstandright,Isn'tthefirstFRgraph,uncompensated?Itshowsaclearrollof,regardlessofthepreferencecurve.WhatwouldbethepointofputtingtheTargetandthemeasuredresponsesuperposedonthesamegraphisitwasacompensatedresponse?WhatabouttheoneIposted,isitaFRgraphoradeviationgraph? Edit,fromtheHead-fi,itseamstosuggestthatthisgraphisuncompensated,butImaybemissingsomething.Iagreethatweshouldcompareapplestoapple.   Lastedited:Apr12,2021 cursive ActiveMember ForumDonor Joined Feb13,2019 Messages 230 Likes 408 PeteLsaid: NotsureIunderstandright,Isn'tthefirstFRgraph,uncompensated?Itshowsaclearrollof,regardlessofthepreferencecurve.WhatwouldbethepointofputtingtheTargetandthemeasuredresponsesuperposedonthesamegraphisitwasacompensatedresponse?WhatabouttheoneIposted,isitaFRgraphoradeviationgraph? Edit,fromtheHead-fi,itseamstosuggestthatthisgraphisuncompensated,butImaybemissingsomething.Iagreethatweshouldcompareapplestoapple. Clicktoexpand... Thehead-figraphsaysdiffusefieldcorrectionappliedand1/9smoothing,soIdefinitelydon'tthinkthatit'sraworuncompensated.I'mnotsurewhatexactlytheirdiffusefieldcorrectionlookslikethough,sonotexactlysurehowiteffectsit. EDIT:it'sprettyspotonwithOratory1990'smeasurements.   Lastedited:Apr12,2021 P PeteL MajorContributor Joined Jun1,2020 Messages 1,854 Likes 1,764 cursivesaid: Thehead-figraphsaysdiffusefieldcorrectionappliedand1/9smoothing,soIdefinitelydon'tthinkthatit'sraworuncompensated.I'mnotsurewhatexactlytheirdiffusefieldcorrectionlookslikethough,sonotexactlysurehowiteffectsit. EDIT:it'sprettyspotonwithOratory1990'smeasurements.Viewattachment123693 Clicktoexpand... Ithinkyouareright,Ifoundtherawone,Itisstillflatter,Ifindithardtocomparegraphtough,wecan'trelyonthenumbersonthescale,theyarenotnormalisedatthesameway.Wonderwhydon'tanybodyagreeforthe0dBtobeat1kHz,thiswouldhelpalready.Thetargetresponsecross0at1kHZ.Inallcases,asyouseeit'snotthepreferencecurvethat'sresponsibleforthisdifference,forarollofftobecomeflatundertargetcompensation,wouldmeanthatthetargetwouldberolledoff,whichdon'tmakesense,OKnoteverybodyagreeofthisbassshelvingbyHarmanresearch,butnobodytargetsarolloff,rolloffsarealimitation,notagoal.   OP amirm Founder/Admin StaffMember CFO(ChiefFunOfficer) Joined Feb13,2016 Messages 36,888 Likes 151,016 Location SeattleArea IpostthemeasurementsofasecondsampleofFocalElexjustnow:https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ds/massdrop-x-focal-elex-measurement-2.22425/   Amir Founder,AudioScienceReview Founder,MadronaDigital ContributingEditor,WidescreenReviewMagazine ClickforMyTechnicalBackground MyYouTubeChannel M Music1969 MajorContributor Joined Feb19,2018 Messages 2,313 Likes 1,217 amirmsaid: AswiththeFocalClear,thenon-equalizedresponsewasfinebutnothingtogetexcitedabout.Similarequalization(createdfromscratchhereratherthancopiedfromClear),resultedinmajorimprovement: ImaybebiasedbydistortionmeasurementsbutIconstantlywent"ohthatnoteisclean!"Thishappenedacrosstheboardinmanytracks.QuietnoteswereespeciallyadelightwiththeElex. ItwasnotlongthoughbeforeIgothorrifiedwiththecracklingsound.Ohmanisthisthingscary.TheonlyaudiogearthatIamscaredofismy1000wattpoweramplifierwhichhasenoughjuicetosendaspeakertoMars!TheElexheadphonehadmeinthesamespotwhereIhadtohavemyhandonthevolumecontrol.IcouldnotenjoyanytrackathighvolumeasIkeptworryingaboutthecrackle. SoIturnedthevolumedownandgotbusywithanotherreview.Acoupleofhourslater,Irealizedhowcomfortablethisheadphonewasandhowniceitssoundwasatlowvolumes. Clicktoexpand... Hi@amirm,whenyougetcrackling/clippingwithEQprofileinRoon,isthatevenwithadded'headroommanagement'inRoon'sDSP? HowmuchheadroomdoyouaddtoroonforyourEQprofilehere?   P parimento1 Member Joined Dec22,2020 Messages 9 Likes 5 Isimpledonotunderstandhowyoucansaythatadriverbreakingupat114dbforaheadphoneisevenremotelyaproblem.Anythingover70decibelsforanextendedperiodoftimewillleaveyoudeafandwithtinnitus.Ifyouplayyourheadphonesevencloseto114dbyouwillbeinaworldofhurt.Idon'tunderstandthelogicofpushingtheseheadphonestotheextremeswherenosanepersonwould?   snowsurfer ActiveMember Joined Jan29,2019 Messages 136 Likes 130 Location Spain parimento1said: Isimpledonotunderstandhowyoucansaythatadriverbreakingupat114dbforaheadphoneisevenremotelyaproblem.Anythingover70decibelsforanextendedperiodoftimewillleaveyoudeafandwithtinnitus.Ifyouplayyourheadphonesevencloseto114dbyouwillbeinaworldofhurt.Idon'tunderstandthelogicofpushingtheseheadphonestotheextremeswherenosanepersonwould? Clicktoexpand... IthinkyouneedtowatchthevideoAmirjustuploadedontheASRYouTubechannel....   Robbo99999 MajorContributor ForumDonor Joined Jan23,2020 Messages 3,580 Likes 3,087 Location UK parimento1said: Isimpledonotunderstandhowyoucansaythatadriverbreakingupat114dbforaheadphoneisevenremotelyaproblem.Anythingover70decibelsforanextendedperiodoftimewillleaveyoudeafandwithtinnitus.Ifyouplayyourheadphonesevencloseto114dbyouwillbeinaworldofhurt.Idon'tunderstandthelogicofpushingtheseheadphonestotheextremeswherenosanepersonwould? Clicktoexpand... ItcanmatterifyouEQupthebassandlistenatlowermorenormallevels,the114dBmeasurementcanindicatewhatkindofbassdistortionyou'dgetwhenforexampleEQ'ingthebassuptoHarmanlevelsorbeyond.Idon'tthinkthe114dBdistortionmeasurementisrelevantnorthof100Hzthough,becauseIagreepeoplewouldn'tlistenat114dBinthemids&treble.It'softenbeendiscussedbeforethough.....thesepoints. Anotherpointtorememberisthattheselevelswouldbepeaklevels(0dBFSsignal)andnotaveragelevels,socouldbeshort-livedpeaksinyourmusic,soeventhe114dBisn'tasdrasticasitsounds,combinethisthinkingwiththepreviousparagraphtoo.   Lastedited:Apr13,2021 PCSetup:SoundblasterXG6DAC->JDSLabsAtomHeadphoneAmp->AKGK702&SennheiserHD560s&HifimanHE4XX&NADHP50&SennheiserHD600allEQ'dtoHarmanCurve. TV/"Hometheatre"Setup:SonyBraviaKDL42w653a(calibratedwithSpyder4ProandHCFR)->miniDSP2x4->JBL308PMkiiSpeakers(2-channel) MusicListeningSetup:(asTV/"Hometheatre"Setupaboveexcept....)Laptop->(REW/EqualiserAPO)->ToppingE30DAC->JBL308PMkiiSpeakers(2-channel) Prev 1 … 4 5 6 7 8 Next First Prev 6of8 Next Last Youmustloginorregistertoreplyhere. 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