1. CONtroversy or 2. conTROversy ? (Pronunciation) - ProZ.com

It should be CONtroversy in both forms of English, but is is so often pronounced conTROversy on this side of the pond these days that most ... Thissiteusescookies. Someofthesecookiesareessentialtotheoperationofthesite, whileothershelptoimproveyourexperiencebyprovidinginsightsintohowthesiteisbeingused. Formoreinformation,pleaseseetheProZ.comprivacypolicy. Cookiesettings Acceptcookies Translation-art&business»Pronunciation»1.CONtroversyor2.conTROversy?Trackthistopic  Pagesintopic:   [123]>1.CONtroversyor2.conTROversy?Threadposter:MatsWiman MatsWiman SwedenLocaltime:02:43Member(2000)GermantoSwedish+...InmemoriamDec31,2002 AmIrightinassuming(likeMerriam-Webster)thatNo1isAmericanEnglishandNo2isBritishEnglish.MySwedishNorstedtsstaysneutrallikeOxford-Duden,ConciseOxforddoesn\'tsay.[ThisMessagewaseditedby:on2002-12-3122:09]  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)  KimMetzger MexicoLocaltime:19:43GermantoEnglishAbsolutelyMatsDec31,2002 IcantellyouthatCONtroversyisdefinitelythepreferredUSEnglishpronunciationanditwouldsoundhighlypeculiaranyotherwayonthissideofthepond.IhaveheardmanyBritishbrothersandsistersstressthesecondsyllable,butIwouldn\'tbeabletoconfirmthatthisisauniversalruleforBE.It\'sdangeroustomakeflatgeneralizationsaboutpronunciation.Why,justlastnightIwaswatchingaJamesBondmovieandwasshocked,shockedItellyoutohearSeanConnerysa...SeemoreIcantellyouthatCONtroversyisdefinitelythepreferredUSEnglishpronunciationanditwouldsoundhighlypeculiaranyotherwayonthissideofthepond.IhaveheardmanyBritishbrothersandsistersstressthesecondsyllable,butIwouldn\'tbeabletoconfirmthatthisisauniversalruleforBE.It\'sdangeroustomakeflatgeneralizationsaboutpronunciation.Why,justlastnightIwaswatchingaJamesBondmovieandwasshocked,shockedItellyoutohearSeanConnerysayhedidn\'thavethemissingacuator\"eether.\"AndIhadthoughtnoBriteverpronounceditotherthan\"ayther.\"ButmyConciseOxfordDictionaryactuallylistsCONtroversyfirstandconTROversysecond.HappyNewYear,MatsKim[ThisMessagewaseditedby:on2002-12-3123:02]▲Collapse  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)  ArnaudHERVE FranceLocaltime:02:43EnglishtoFrench+...Happynewyear!Dec31,2002 Thisisamuchtoocontroversialsubjectforme!  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)  JackDoughty UnitedKingdomLocaltime:01:43RussiantoEnglish+...InmemoriamBritsoftengetitwrongDec31,2002 ItshouldbeCONtroversyinbothformsofEnglish,butisissooftenpronouncedconTROversyonthissideofthepondthesedaysthatmostpeopleacceptit.ThisisthesecondSTRESSfulsubjecttoday,theotherwasaboutAPPlicablevs.apPLICable.AnothermatterwhichdiSTRESSesmeisthewayRussiannamesarenearlyalwaysstressedonthefirstsyllableinEnglish,regardlessoftherealstress.TheBBChasapronunciationunitwhichissupposedtomak...SeemoreItshouldbeCONtroversyinbothformsofEnglish,butisissooftenpronouncedconTROversyonthissideofthepondthesedaysthatmostpeopleacceptit.ThisisthesecondSTRESSfulsubjecttoday,theotherwasaboutAPPlicablevs.apPLICable.AnothermatterwhichdiSTRESSesmeisthewayRussiannamesarenearlyalwaysstressedonthefirstsyllableinEnglish,regardlessoftherealstress.TheBBChasapronunciationunitwhichissupposedtomakesuretheygetthesethingsright,buttheyalsospeakofGORBachevinsteadofGorbaCHOV,forexample.Ohwell,that\'senoughstressforonenight,especiallyforNewYear\'sEve.Iintendtorelaxfromnowon.▲Collapse  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)   AHayes(X)AustraliaLocaltime:10:43ReceivedPronunciationJan1,2003 TheLongmanPronunciationDictionarysays:CONTrovery--AmongRPspeakerstheCONTR-formprobablystillpredominates;butinBrEingeneralthe-TROV-formisnowclearlymorewidespread.BrEpollpanelpreference:44%theformer,56%thelatter.InAmECONTR-istheonlypossibility.InEnglandandWales,RPiswidelyregardedasamodelforcorrectpronunciation,particularlyforeducatedformalspeech.ItiswhatisusedbyBBCnewsreaders(hencethe...SeemoreTheLongmanPronunciationDictionarysays:CONTrovery--AmongRPspeakerstheCONTR-formprobablystillpredominates;butinBrEingeneralthe-TROV-formisnowclearlymorewidespread.BrEpollpanelpreference:44%theformer,56%thelatter.InAmECONTR-istheonlypossibility.InEnglandandWales,RPiswidelyregardedasamodelforcorrectpronunciation,particularlyforeducatedformalspeech.ItiswhatisusedbyBBCnewsreaders(hencethealternativeBBCpronunciation).ItistheusualstandardinteachingEnglishasaforeignlanguage,inallcountrieswherethemodelisBrEratherthanAmE.LDP.JCWells1996thisismyfirstpostingoftheyear.it\'smiddayhere.thefireworksattheharbourbridgelastnightwerespectacular.attheendofthedisplay,ahugepeacedovewaslituponthebridge;verysignificant.▲Collapse  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)  NoelCastelinoLocaltime:02:43FrenchtoEnglishForwhatit'sworth...Jan1,2003 ...theyalwayssayconTROVersyontheBBC.  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)  NoelCastelinoLocaltime:02:43FrenchtoEnglishIfeelmostdiSTRESSEDJan1,2003 whenpeoplesayREsearchinsteadofreSEARCHandREsearchersinsteadofreSEARCHworkers.)  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)  MatsWiman SwedenLocaltime:02:43Member(2000)GermantoSwedish+...TOPICSTARTERInmemoriamThankstoyouall+RPJan1,2003 Foruswhodidnotknow:RP=abbr.for\'receivedpronunciation\'(ConciseOxford)receivedpronunciation=(abbr.RP)accepted/established/recognizedpronunciationofBritishEnglish(NorstedtsSkribent)Sorryforcausingallthisstress[ThisMessagewaseditedby:on2003-01-0114:21]  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)   SarahDowning Localtime:20:43GermantoEnglish+...RPJan1,2003 JustanoteonRP,Matts.ThismaybetheacceptedpronunciationofEnglish,butI\'dliketopointoutthatitisofficiallyspokenbylessthan3%ofthepopulation,includingtheQueen,soisnotaswidespreadasyoumightthink.  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)  RobinSalmon(X) AustraliaLocaltime:10:43GermantoEnglish+...ChangeinlanguageisnaturalJan1,2003 IrememberbeingtoldinanEnglishLanguageclassatunithatyoucouldeithertaketheprescriptiveapproachoracceptthatwords(intermsofmeaningandpronunciation)havealwaysundergonechangeandcontinuetodoso.Rememberalsothatmostofusoweourexistencetothefactthatlanguageshavechangedasaresultofpopulationmovementetc.;thinkofthechangeinthelanguagesoriginatinginNorthGermany/DenmarkandtheoneoriginallyspokeninItaly!Rushingt...SeemoreIrememberbeingtoldinanEnglishLanguageclassatunithatyoucouldeithertaketheprescriptiveapproachoracceptthatwords(intermsofmeaningandpronunciation)havealwaysundergonechangeandcontinuetodoso.Rememberalsothatmostofusoweourexistencetothefactthatlanguageshavechangedasaresultofpopulationmovementetc.;thinkofthechangeinthelanguagesoriginatinginNorthGermany/DenmarkandtheoneoriginallyspokeninItaly!Rushingtodictionariestofindoutthecorrectstressasarmourfortellingsomeonetheyare\"wrong\"ispointless.Ithinkweallgothroughlifepickingoneachotherenoughwithoutcriticisinghowwespeak.ImyselfgetiritatedattheincorrectpronunciationofforeignwordshereinAustraliabutifIweren\'talinguistIwouldnotknowthedifferenceandwouldbealessstressedperson!Irecommendthatweallbearinmindthelyricsoftheoldsong,\"Let\'scallthewholethingoff!\"▲Collapse  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)  RussellJones UnitedKingdomLocaltime:01:43ItaliantoEnglishThelinguisticallyilliterateEnglishDec15,2009 ThereisanaturaltendencyfortheBritishnottostressthefirstsyllable.Ina1970stelevisionsituationcomedyentitledSomeMothersDoHav'em,theactorMichaelCrawfordusedthewordshaRASSandhaRASSmenttomakefunofhischaracter'sstupidity.Unfortunately,thejokewasnotgenerallyunderstoodandthishasbecomealmostthestandardpronunciation.Itgetsworse.TherespectedpoliticalTVjournalistAndrewMarrhasjustpresentedaseriescalledTheMakingofM...SeemoreThereisanaturaltendencyfortheBritishnottostressthefirstsyllable.Ina1970stelevisionsituationcomedyentitledSomeMothersDoHav'em,theactorMichaelCrawfordusedthewordshaRASSandhaRASSmenttomakefunofhischaracter'sstupidity.Unfortunately,thejokewasnotgenerallyunderstoodandthishasbecomealmostthestandardpronunciation.Itgetsworse.TherespectedpoliticalTVjournalistAndrewMarrhasjustpresentedaseriescalledTheMakingofModernBritain.HisEnglishisusuallyimpeccablebuthecontinuallyusedthewordsaRISTocratandaRISTocratic,whichtomyearmadethewholethingsoundlikeacomedy.▲Collapse  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)  RebekkaGroß(X) Localtime:01:43EnglishtoGermantonguetwisterDec16,2009 RussellJoneswrote:Itgetsworse.TherespectedpoliticalTVjournalistAndrewMarrhasjustpresentedaseriescalledTheMakingofModernBritain.HisEnglishisusuallyimpeccablebuthecontinuallyusedthewordsaRISTocratandaRISTocratic,whichtomyearmadethewholethingsoundlikeacomedy.Idon'tseeaproblemwithaRISTocratbutamtotallyunabletoreproduceaRISTocraticeventhoughI'vesaiditloudafewtimesnow.Ijustcan'tmanagetofitalltheothersyllables.aristoCRAticissomucheasieronthevocalcords/lips/tongue,nottoforgettheears.  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)   RussellJones UnitedKingdomLocaltime:01:43ItaliantoEnglishDependsDec16,2009 RebekkaGroßwrote:aristoCRAticissomucheasieronthevocalcords/lips/tongue,nottoforgettheears.HiRebekkaMyversionsareARistocratandARistocrAtic.  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)  nevipaulLocaltime:03:43GreektoEnglishAndrewMarrDec18,2009 "HisEnglishisusuallyimpeccable"ThoughIalmostchokedonmymorningcoffeetheotherdaywhenIheardhimpronouncebiopictorhymewithmyopic... IvanaUK  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)  davidyoung FranceLocaltime:02:43FrenchtoEnglishtherewasasketchDec18,2009 someyearsagoonaBritishTVcomedyshow(mighthavebeenMontyPython)wheretheguestsonaprogramcalledControversycametoblowsoverthepronunciationoftheprogram'sname.  Subject:Comment:Thecontentsofthispostwillautomaticallybeincludedintheticketgenerated.Pleaseaddanyadditionalcommentsorexplanation(optional)  Pagesintopic:   [123]>Logintoreply/commentToreportsiterulesviolationsorgethelp,contactasitemoderator:Moderator(s)ofthisforumNawalKramer[Calltothistopic]Youcanalsocontactsitestaffbysubmittingasupportrequest»1.CONtroversyor2.conTROversy?Advancedsearch MostRecentPostsTranslationart&businessTechnicalforumsNon-EnglishforumsCountry-specificforumsForumsaboutProZ.comForumrulesHelpandorientationProtemostranslationbusinessmanagementsystemCreateyouraccountinminutes,andstartworking!3-monthtrialforagencies,andfreeforfreelancers!Thesystemletsyoukeepclient/vendordatabase,withcontactsandrates,manageprojectsandassignjobstovendors,issueinvoices,trackpayments,storeandmanageprojectfiles,generatebusinessreportsonturnoverprofitperclient/manageretc.Moreinfo»WordfastProTranslationMemorySoftwareforAnyPlatformExclusivediscountforProZ.comusers! 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